Well just got back from a national conference and i go away for a few days and this thread caught on fire. Many many great questions and i will try to answer all of them to the best of my abilities. Please understand and do not be offended that i try to be as scientific as possible regarding my answers since that is why you guys are reading this. If there is not solid medical evidence or research i will let you know and can draw some reasonable conclusion or ideas from biology and physiology but just know that it is not be all and end all answer.
Aussiebuldog, most docs and even endocrinologists get confused regarding this issue and that is simply because they are using data from individuals not on TRT or higher levels of testosterone. Yes naturally there is a test to estrogen ratio but that does not mean you are ok if your E2 is 200 just because your total test is over 2000. High levels of test have no protective measures on negative effects of estrogen. I really dont worry and dont change anything with my patients as long as their E2 is 50 and under but anything above that is not needed and does not provide you any more "bone" protection than at 50.
adimenia and Cdn, if you are planning to be on TRT i just dont see a reason for use for HCG. Again this is a personal/professional opinion. There are arguments both sides but most of the times the HCG ends up screwing with too many other variables that it outweighs its few benefits.
stone123, looking at insulin from a medical and biologic perspective it is an extremely dangerous compound. Maybe one of the most in the BB field. And yes it can be very powerful. The safer method would be post work out but less effective. The best analogy i can use is that post work out the muscle groups have already went thru their severe stress and you are in catch up mode. It is like chasing the horses after they have left the barn. Using insulin with combination of carbs and protein packs the muscles with the needed nutrients and highly prevents stress and degradation during intense work outs. There are plenty of great threads i have come across on this site previously that outlines from the big guys here how to use insulin pre-wo and i agree with them 100%
desoxymethyl, sorry to hear about your doc. He/she was clueless. There is no way you should have had that low of total test at that age. You are someone that just have been suffering from hypogonadism even before you started AAS, so you are a typical person that would be definite candidate for TRT even though you are relatively young. Most men, will definitely feel lack of performance under 600 and definitely under 500. So you being in the 300s is no question. I have many replies in this thread about TRT methods and dosages so please refer to those.
bigdawg66, neither cabergoline or proviron should be used long term for libido purposes. Really without having the latest labs on what your total test, E2, TSH, Free t3, t4, and prolactin levels i could not make a real recommendation. I do like triptorelin but it will only bring your levels back to what your body can produce naturally. So it is a good effort to see if it can get you there but if not, then TRT is an option. Also, erectile dysfunction is not just an issue with testosterone. I have many patients with test levels of 800 that still have ED issues. Even natural patients that are not taking anything else. Stress, anxiety, cardiovascular issues and other metabolic disorders can all cause it. I would not recommend any other compound right now because you are going from one compound to another like shooting in the dark and not knowing what your baseline even is currently.
kaleb, if you are going to use primo or deca then i would not use more than 100 of test weekly. Remember in 95% of my patients 100mg of test weekly gives them a total test of 800-900 by itself. You can even reduce to 75mg of test weekly when you are combining and be fine and it can be used long term when such low total doses are used.
wukillabee and fireazm, i have no medical opinion on DNP. I know it is a poison What i know about it is what you know about it and what i have read. There is no medical research on this compound. Clenbuterol being a very strong beta receptor agonist has serious excitement to the heart and having constant tachycardia is not a good thing. In my opinion T3 is safer than clen when used in low doses. The key is diet and cardio ladies and gentlemen. I always tell my patients abs are made in the kitchen and not in the gym.
Crom, yes, i think you can definitely reduce your test to 75-100 and deca to 100mg weekly and be even in better shape. As long as blood levels are ok and dbol is used infrequently i see no harm.
tr, i hate to do this to you but i have answered this similar question several times in this thread. Please take time to read the few pages because it will help you with this question and other subjects as well.
cac3071, that is great to hear. You may need to try my PCT therapy that i have discussed with triptorelin. This will bump your natural test and triptorelin will reset your LH and FSH. My best friend and wife just had a baby last year after he was on TRT for 3 yrs using exact same method.
omoplata, i love the handle by the way. I put one on my BJJ partner this morning There is definite AR activation going on. Inflammation will and may cause temporary hypertrophy but it goes away. The research and testing i have seen and been involved in showed significant long term changes that were site specific. And from practice we know that it applies to humans since most will see site specific improvements using very short acting compounds such as winstrol, test acetate or suspension.
highdrum, believe it or not drugs such as finasteride increase total testosterone and not reduce it. Because they block the conversion of test to DHT, now you have more test than you normally would. The issue with erectile dysfunction and lower libido is because DHT is such a powerful compound for libido and sex drive. This is DHT drugs such as proviron and masteron cause such boost to libido and sex drive. Male pattern baldness is a losing battle and trying to do TRT and keep everything in balance makes life difficult. I tell my patients just shave it off
knight9, have no clinical research in DES or such peptides and what i will tell you is from research of literature and different studies regarding such compounds. DES has very short short half life and i believe that it works much better theoretically if used in smaller doses as in 10-20mcg in ten different areas spread around than a single 100-200mcg injection.
Ehren, it always makes me wonder why so many men are so worried about their testes size As long as what in front of it is working who cares how big your balls are? I think using HCG/triptorelin etc for simple purpose of keeping ball size big is asking for trouble. Long term it can cause issue and reduce sensitivity. Once or twice a year max and only for purpose of PCT assuming you are relying on your natural test levels. But if you are going to be on TRT anyways, i see no use for it. As for as AI, i prefer using it at the end of the cycle to reduce levels before you start your PCT.
RollinRock, awesome to hear that you do not allow your disability to hold you down. However, as you mentioned thrombosis are the major concern and when not being able to fully utilize your legs all the time it becomes a concern. Most AAS out there when used more than TRT dosages will increase your chances. Obviously, use of omega 3's, aspirin and other anti-oxidants can reduce the chances but may not eliminate them. If you were to do TRT doses to keep levels in the 800-1000 range you would be much safer.
Superbeast22, thank you my friend
202-Freak, I was not offended by what you said so i hope you are not offended by what i am going to say Some of the questions at first seem very valid when you glance at it but if you really think about them are quite baseless. To give you an analogy. I have a good friend who is a master mechanic for Hyundai and he things minus a couple of models they are pieces of shit. You get my drift?
First i was never an "employee" of Schering. I did quite a bit of research with them along with some joint ventures with Organon. You also have to realize that pharma companies make products not for the body builders. None of these products were even intended to be used for recreational or bodybuilding purposes. Pharma companies make products that FIRST have to be user friendly. This usually means less frequency, longer durations etc. Osteoporosis drugs initially were once a day, then once a week, then once a month, and not an injection twice a year. Guess what, the once a week treatments are still the most efficacious but since they push the "ease of use" "less frequent" dosing etc people fall in and buy into that. The reason compounds such as testosterone undecanoate were produces was to reduce injections. At the end of the day in the "most regular" patients are not as needle friendly as the bodybuilders.
Primobolan is no wonder drug. As anyone that has used it at any doses and 8 our of 10 will agree. Just because Schering made it doesnt make it wonder drug. Also, how much money do you think Schering is making of this drug currently? pretty much nothing lol.
Antibiotics are orals too but i didnt say they are useless. It seems that you are just making general statements. When discussing orals i was specifically referring to compounds that actually can be used to gain mass and potentially be used on their own. I would like you to do a 150mg of Proviron by itself for 8 weeks and write back on how that cycle went. Proviron is a wonderful compound for many reasons. One is that it binds to aromatase and reduces conversion of test to estrogen. It does not work as well as Femara or Aromasin but it does work well. Also it does great at binding SHBG which causes increase in your free test levels. Also because it is 1-methyl compound it is not liver toxic. So it definitely has its place but at best it should be used one or two other compounds and not on its own. You also have to realize that most compounds that BBers use today including test, proviron, primobolan, etc were researched, and sold in the 60s and 70s. The landscape of medicine and what we know has changeuquite a bit since then. Remember back then American Medical Association's stance was that smoking was not hazardous to women! So hope the above addressed your questions and concerns.
VanDyke, the question is what is your total test at 100-150mg weekly? If your levels are ~800 or above then this is not a testosterone issue. And if your E2 is less than 50 then it is not an estrogen issue either. As i mentioned earlier, there are many causes of erectile dysfunction that have nothing to do with test/estrogen.
anabolic2k, using 100/100 of test/npp may very well help alleviate some of your pain issues. It is individualized and you may just have to try it. I see no reason having it be an issue long term as long as regular blood tests are done initially more aggressively and then semi-annually after that. As long as you dont mind the frequent pinning, the daily use would be essentially ideal.
Thanks again for all the questions this last week. I will be back next week with more answers to your questions.